- 朽木不可雕 xiǔmùbùkědiāo you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear(idiom) literally "rotten wood cannot be carved," meaning a person is so worthless or stubborn that they cannot be taught or improved; used to describe someone who is beyond help or lacks any potential
- 朽木不可雕也 xiǔmùbùkědiāoyě rotten wood cannot be carvedrotten wood cannot be carved; a person is so worthless or stubborn that they cannot be educated or reformed
- 朽木不雕 xiǔmùbùdiāo unworthy personrotten wood cannot be carved; a metaphor for a person who is too dull or corrupted to be educated, or a situation that has deteriorated beyond repair
- 朽木粪土 xiǔmùfèntǔ useless person or thing(idiom) Rotten wood and dirty soil; used to describe a worthless person who is beyond help or things that are completely useless. Derived from the [[论语|論語|lun2 yu3]] describing a student who was too lazy to be taught.
- 朽木粪墙 xiǔmùfènqiáng beyond salvageMetaphor for a person who is beyond help or a situation that is so far gone that it cannot be repaired; (originally) rotten wood and a wall made of dung