Literally "not even the first stroke of the character [[八|八|ba1]] is written"; used to say that a plan is in its very early stages and nothing tangible has happened yet

Literally "there is not even the first stroke of the character [[八|八|ba1]]"; describes a situation where things have not even started to happen or there is no sign of progress yet.

Used to express that an action has not happened or a state has not been reached by the current time.